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dreapster

In all seriousness, I agree with you. The proposition of a God really isn't all that interesting or important. Truthfully, I'm much more interested in the future of stem cell development, the diplomatic/economic ramifications of the Sino-African relationship, the true nature of dark matter, whether we'll ever discover alien lifeforms, and if we'll ever get another good Star Trek television show..... (Admittedly, I'm disproportionately interested in the last item on that list)

Jacob LaMountain

Hell, maybe there is an Alpha Centaurian fairy, but like the notion of God, I really don't spend any time thinking about it, it's not worth my time. Evolutionary biology, that's worth my time. Particle dynamics, worth my time. Socoioeconomics relationship with the nature of human beings? Totally worth my time.

dreapster

Until we have any reason to believe a God exists, we should presume that the notion of a God is false. Positive claims have a burden of proof. For example, are you agnostic about the potential of a supernatural invisible fairie flying around Alpha Centauri? To be intellectually consistent, you have to be "agnostic" to any truth claim that is unverifiable.

Jacob LaMountain

No there's not, because in the organization of the structures of the mind you could place the spirit, the spirit could simply be the choices you make in life. Anyway, I'm agnostic, all I'm saying is there could be a God, or not. You can't prove either way, but what you can prove, is that all of THIS exists. And that's what we should be studying, not organized religion's fairy tales.

dreapster

If reality is monistic, then there is no "substance" with which to go on into the afterlife. If reality is dualistic, then it's "possible" because there is some substance with which to use to enter the afterlife. Dualism is dependent on requirement/necessity. It's an idea based around ignorance of how the monism could explain the "mind", "personality", etc. As we increase in our knowledge of the brain, there is less and less places for 'the spirit" to hide (metaphorically).

Jacob LaMountain

The thing is, this "evidence" for monism of the mind could not possibly disprove duality, and not even reduce the chance that there is an afterlife. If I'm wrong, please go on about this evidence, and how it supports that there is no afterlife directly.

dreapster

You can certainly believe in a god, but you can't claim with any certainty to "know" that god exists or insist that other people behave as though they accepted your personal belief. HOWEVER, belief in an afterlife is predicated on something surviving after death, right? Therefore, if no part of your personality exists after death, then there is nothing to "go on" to the afterlife.

Jacob LaMountain

I don't need a counterargument. Regardless of monism vs duality you can believe in a god and an afterlife.

dreapster

"Dude, no." -_- Oh my, I appear to have been thoroughly trounced.

Jacob LaMountain

Dude, no.

dreapster

The belief that there is no afterlife comes hand in hand with the belief in the monism of the mind. If you believe this, then the extinction of the personality upon death means there is no "soul" to go into ANY afterlife. There IS evidence for monism of the mind, so therefore it is a most logical statement to say there is no afterlife as long as the metaphysical proposition of monism of the mind is philosophically tenable.

Jacob LaMountain

Believing there is no afterlife is no more logical than believing there is one. Either way it's simply a belief, not backed by any logic or physical evidence.

Youreall1096

We all wish there was a heaven or an afterlife but some of us are just too damn logical to believe in organized religions fairy tales. Good song.

Leannamia

Amazing.

Natasha Seymour

just to jump on the bandwagon: amazing. but no seriously, good stuff :)

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