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+Caleb Tarman Do you know that the meaning of Christian means "like Christ" right? Your just contradicting yourself by saying that you would address yourself as a follower of Christ. Its the same thing. Your just replacing the name with the definition... And you don't believe that everything in the Bible is true? Don't you believe that God wouldn't let any one corrupt his word and damn his people? Once the Lord opens his mouth to speak, no matter how many millenniums go by, it will remain true. You have to believe in the bible completely. It is imperative. And what parts do you not believe in? (I know its been 8 months but I hope you don't mind responding)

Weston

Your personal experiences inform you on the particulars of biological evolution?

Caleb Tarman

They match up with my personal experiences (or delusions, if you will).

Weston

People who don't accept evolution tend to congregate in certain places. Like the Southern and Midwest United States.

Weston

So you believe that the parts about Jesus are true? But not the rest of it? What makes those parts more reliable?

Caleb Tarman

Just a couple fringe people? I've had incredibly bad luck then, almost none of my friends are of that opinion.

Caleb Tarman

I believe that though the bible can be a great way to connect to god, not everything in it is true. I have actually considered dropping the title "christian" for a while now for this reason. "Follower of Jesus" would be more accurate.

Weston

It's my understanding that most christians, including the catholic church, accept evolution as the most likely explanation for human development. There's a small percentage of fringe religious people who don't accept it. I think they just don't understand the theory.

Weston

The authors of the new testament make it quite clear that Jesus/god is not interested in those who don't follow him. They are "not worthy of him". The bible tells many stories of god butchering entire towns that don't follow him. So I don't think you can say that christians believe that god has just as much interest in non-christians. If you don't base your religion on the bible, then can you still call yourself a christian?

Caleb Tarman

Another thing I just want to throw out there, I do believe evolution is real. How can we believe in God, when there's no hard evidence to support his existence, when we can't even believe in evolution, which has been all but proven with all the missing links and similarities between fossils? In my opinion, way to many people think every word of the bible has to be literal.

Caleb Tarman

Okay, I can see your point. However, I will say that though we believe god has taken an interest in us, we also believe he has taken just as much interest in others, though I suppose that could still be seen as narcissism. Also, I believe a little differently than most Christians on the second point. Judging by my personal experiences (or delusions) God doesn't seem like the kind of guy who just chucks everyone in hell, no matter what the bible says.

Caleb Tarman

You're right of course. As I can't provide evidence of God, I can't say anything more here.

Weston

OK, but there's not rational reason to believe that.

Caleb Tarman

I'm not saying that science is delusional. I'm just saying that God is real.

Weston

It's narcissistic because the christian has chosen to believe that the creator of the universe has taken special interest in them. More than that, they belief that anyone who doesn't share their belief is deserving of death and eternal hellfire. I'm not sure I could think of something more narcissistic.

Weston

The fact that everyone sees their god differently supports the more likely conclusion that they're all just seeing their own personal delusion. You can say science is delusional. But its conclusions are based on evidence everyone sees the same. While religious beliefs are based on visions that everyone sees differently.

Caleb Tarman

One thing i dont get. How is believing you are nothing but dust without the help of a savior narcissistic?

Caleb Tarman

Everyone sees God in different ways, just like everyone connects to him in different ways. As for your second arguement, you say I am confusing the capacity to see with delusion? I could say the same of you, couldn't I? From my point of view it is you who can't see, not me who is deluded. You might as well simplify it and say "Nope, your wrong." By the way, you don't have to keep saying God's an illusion in every message, you've made your position pretty clear.

Weston

If you collected independent descriptions from all the people who 'saw' god, I'm sure they'd all be quite different. No one here is seeing the same god, they're seeing a narcissistic fantasy of their own creation. You're confusing the capacity to see with delusion. If someone can't operate a telescope, they may continue to believe that the stars are holes in a 'firmament'. But once someone teaches them to use the tool, they can put aside their superstition and see the truth.

Caleb Tarman

C'mon you can do better than this. 1. I see plenty of people who have noticed god here. 2.You know those pattern picture things? For the life of me I can't see the hidden picture, but others can. Clearly, they must be insane, right?

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