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Pacbandit13

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vjenckz

I sent you a private message - did you get it?

themindbusterator

and about this historical evidence of magic, if it exists, why isnt the scientific community even slightly swayed in its direction? and why havent i ever heard of it? and dont tell me that i never bothered to look, because information so incredible and important would definitely be well known if it existed.

themindbusterator

well yes, of course, believing stuff without doubt is naive. if i told u i was jesus,, would you not doubt me? if i did a magic trick, even if it was really good, would you not still doubt me. even when you are convinced of something, one must always still be open to evidence to the contrary or to lack of evidence being pointed out. otherwise it would be a delusional belief.

vjenckz

And this is where it comes to my personal faith! Crazy or not, miracles have happened to me and my husband. The coolest one is when my husband had a bone sticking out of his arm from an accident. He went to the ER to get an xray, but him and some friends were praying over it the entire time. When he finally got to the xray the bone had gone back in place and it wasn't broken! There were scientific witnesses to that... and yet those same people doubted a miracle.

vjenckz

Yeah but they don't and wouldn't even if they should. It's actually easier to get a historian to acknowledge the veracity of the Bible since they have more understanding of records and the way historians of the time would record things. I've heard well respected historians say that the Bible exceeds ancient record taking, and matches more closely with modern history records. But, even if Jesus appeared to the entire world today, a majority of people would still doubt - even if he appeared to you

themindbusterator

let me be more clear on that, i know that some are based on real or possible events, i mean the crazy magical stuff, why would you believe that happened literaly, what historical proof could you find of that?

themindbusterator

that is a valid point. fine, some records are reliable. but there are tons of things that have been written that are not reliable. if there really were such proof that the accounts of the bible are literaly true, the scientific community would acknowledge them

vjenckz

And this is where you show you know nothing about History - again. How do you think we know anything about Roman culture, about Greek culture, about anything other than the present time and 300 years before now? How do we know anything about Egyptians? It's because there were legitimate historians. And I'm not using "any crap" I've "heard." You're using crap you've heard - you probably have never even read the Bible but you're making lofty statements about it as if you're educated about it.

themindbusterator

ok, again you are talking about random stuff that has nothing to do with proof. "historians" of 2000 years ago recorded the most random and retarded things you could imagine. countless instances of incantations and witches and dragons and other random crap was recorded, so what makes u think the jesus thing was real? also, the sun going dark bears no proof of anything. what does that have to do with resurrection? you are just using any crap youve heard to support this nonsense.

vjenckz

Well, let me tell you what I mean by that. The cities that the Bible records other than Jerusalem are confirmed by archeology and other corroborating historical documents that talk about the geography of that region. Also secular historians of Jesus's time (who didn't care about Jesus) recorded that there was a 3 hour period where the sun went black during the death of Jesus - this is also stated in the Bible, and since this was during a full moon, an eclipse was impossible.

themindbusterator

sure, so old legends and "ancient fiction" are poetic representations of things, great, thats exactly what the bible is too, i dont get why you think the bible is special. "archaeology proves the bible" i dont know what you mean by that. Jerusalem is a real city, sure, and you can show it archaeologicaly. what you cannot show is that jesus rose from the dead, or that noah's flood happened. thinking that there is such proof is being ridiculous.

vjenckz

You need to put an @ in front of his name for him to see it.

vjenckz

... I didn't know what trolling was, but no. I think your first comment was more of harassment and inflammatory than mine have been. Why are you even listening to Christian music if you aren't one? I haven't made fun of you and your way of life - why are you dissing mine? If you don't have faith, you can't understand it, so yeah it might seem stupid to you. But that's just ignorance man, and it's below being a civilized human.

vjenckz

It's essentially the Bible on trial. If you read it, I'm interested in your thoughts on the full thing (you won't get the full argument if you pick and choose where to read).

vjenckz

I was also wrong about the number of manuscripts of the Bible, which is a test for the historical reliability. It's 24,500. I sent you a private message but I don't know if you got it. Anyway, when you're in an open mind, at least to see my side of the argument (because YouTube doesn't give me enough space) google: LEGAL APOLOGETICS: PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF EVIDENCE AS APPLIED IN THE QUEST FOR RELIGIOUS TRUTH. It's long, but it'll be worth your time.

vjenckz

Most ancient fiction is related to legends and traditions that permeate through a culture, related to an event that did occur. It's an explanation for the world around them when they can't explain the events through science, like a solar eclipse. Yes it is fiction, but there are certain uniform events that occur in several isolated cultures. That is what I'm pointing to. And the Bible as a historical document doesn't have to do with that as much. Archeology has always proved the Bible right.

themindbusterator

are you just trolling? because its hard to believe you actually think that. the sea creature fossils man, you know about plate tektonics? it has been proven conclusively a long time ago and ever since, every respectable scientist agrees, and it explains the sea creatures on mountains. the epic of gilgamesh is just what it sounds like, an EPIC, that means a work of FICTION, what are you gonna do next, quote the Odyssey to prove mermaids exist?

vjenckz

Haha I was saying "neat" sarcastically. I don't believe in evolution.

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